Joe,
 
Just to be fair. I think the way that time solves this issue is probably by letting it go into oblivion.

I hope you realize that even though this discussion largely generated by you probably did get many (2 or 3 people)'s support, but probably equally many disturbed ones even leave this mail list.
 
Also, I think you pushed the wrong audience here. Push the CSSA officials instead. Although they are probably students too, busy with their own academic life, but it's their job to answer any cristism (or not).
 
Regarding Longbin's pro-active move of making a second mailing list to avoid such discussions, which may or may not be successful depending on how soon people forget about this debate, I don't see how you are more constructive than his move in really doing anything. I think your critism may have some valid points in that CSSA should abide by UCSB regulations (not laws) shall it identify itself as a student organization. But it is also a fact that probably more people in CSSA are not student counting postdoc researchers, exchange students (who are not allowed to register courses), and their familiy members here. UC should not have power over these people.
 
I don't know about everybody learning from this "discussion", but I hope as the initiator you would realize the reason why so many people oppose your critiques and do not pretend to be blind on it. Personally, I have some conservations on whether keeping our ethnic identity is narrow-mindedness as our friend residing in Hong Kong suggested. I also have some conservations on whether the problem you raised is really as serious and important as you claimed, (probably the damage is ...), but I don't want to disturb the many more further for being picky on the picky ones.
 
Finally, I think everybody involved in this discussion, myself included, really owes an appology to the many more people on this mailing list who explicity expressed their wishes to use it for more "useful" information (e.g. moving sale, accomodating new students, helping people in Sichuan, etc.). We cannot enjoying being the only loud ones just because others do not appericate it and are unwilling to touch us.
 
 
 

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To: ucsb_cssa@yahoogroups.com
From: cosymoon@yahoo.com
Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 23:06:49 -0700
Subject: Re: Proposal and RE: [ucsb_cssa] my understanding about UCSB